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Welcome to the MH370 Discussion Form and Wiki!
« on: April 02, 2015, 01:54:55 PM »
Welcome to the MH370 Discussion Form and Wiki!

Having just passed the one year anniversary of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370) without any major breakthroughs, we felt that there was a need for a centralized discussion and information portal regarding this incident. Currently there is ample discussion of this tragic event on various websites and blogs, but as of yet no central or dedicated information repository exists. Thus, we aim to move this active and important discussion from the realm of blog comments to a more open, organized, and easily searchable environment. We see this site as project that can be molded to fit the needs of the community and foresee its evolution with user contributions and analysis.

The main objective of this discussion forum is to host an evidence-based scientific discussion of the disappearance and search for MH370 and other related and unrelated aviation accidents, incidents, and topics. As such, this forum is meant to provide a serious and professional arena wherein conspiracy theories or theories defying reason, logic, or current understanding will not be entertained.

We are an independent website that does not represent any specific group or entity involved officially or unofficially in the investigation of and search for MH370.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2015, 12:21:00 AM »
I thank you for opening up another forum for further discussion. I first want to extend my deepest sympathies to all of the NOK. They have been forced to endure a pain that I could not possibly fathom, and my heart goes out to them and all others who have been affected by this tragedy on a personal level.

I have followed the 'event' closely since the morning hours of March 8th, taking a keen interest in both the scientific pursuits to locate the aircraft, as well as the unimpeachable conclusion that a human hand, of an action deliberate and criminal, was responsible for the senseless loss of life. I am not interested in anything other than the truth, period.

That there was accidental compromise of the aircraft or pilots per a wheel well fire, a pedestal fire, cargo initiated fire, hypoxia event, toxic gas diffusion, structural failure or some combination of the aforementioned defies any rudimentary critical analysis of both the event itself and the behavior of various parties (primarily the govt. of Malaysia, and Datuk Seri Hishammuddin in particular). I will go so far as to say that with MH370, specifically, it is impossible (accident scenario). I dearly wish this were not the case, and that it would still be possible to arrive at an 'innocent and happenstance' explanation, but I would be fooling myself to pretend as such...and I am unwilling to shy away from the truth, as uncomfortable as it may be.

The truth is painful, but it must not be ignored.

There exists no remotely plausible scenario outside of the primary (I have ruled out in flight accomplices as well) culpable party being Ahmad Zaharie Shah, other than the FO Fariq Hamid being the responsible actor. And this scenario (Fariq Hamid being the criminal actor) is so unlikely for myriad reasons that it can all but be ruled out as well.

If someone would care to put forward a PLAUSIBLE scenario that would potentially exonerate Zaharie (in my mind), I would reconsider...but this won't happen because it simply does not exist in this instance.







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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2015, 03:18:33 AM »
Hello and compliments on your new website. I'm just getting accustomed to the different areas and features. It's all very impressive! The reason I joined is to have a place where I can source and discuss MH370 facts but I'm disappointed to see this new forum, intended to be an evidence-based scientific discussion, is already showing signs of pilot bashing. I truly hope this will not continue. Good luck in your new endeavor, and I look forward to the day we find 9M-MRO.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2015, 03:20:48 AM by emma »

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2015, 06:14:51 AM »
Good day to all. I am here to learn more about this tragedy and since i am indirectly connected to few of the passengers i am more interested to get to the bottom of this.

Although i stand firmly on my theory i dont believe it is carved in stone.

Looking forward to have fruitful talks,discussions.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2015, 10:33:16 AM »
Welcome and thank you for taking the time to introduce yourselves. @Emma, I certainly do not condone any pilot bashing (don't assume that's not my background  ;)), but suggesting a very plausible pilot-murder suicide scenario is certainly not bashing and indeed warrants serious discussion. Unfortunately, as we have learned since the early 80's and quite recently, this is not something that can be so readily discounted.

I was made aware of the thread on Reddit, so I will answer a few of the questions posed:

By conspiracy theories (or theories defying reason, logic, or current understanding) I do mean UFO's, black holes, Diego Garcia, a connection to MAS17, or pretty much anything Don Lemon has said on air (kidding about the last one!). Again, the intent is to maintain a serious and professional discussion.

As to who I am, I can assure you of one thing, I am not Mr. Simon Gunson (in fact, I had never heard of him until I read the Reddit thread). I will tell you that I am not someone you know or have ever head of. I have no other web presence related to this event and I am merely a concerned and interested party that wants to open a forum where experts, professionals, and well-intentioned individuals from a range of disciplines can provide expertise, criticism, review, and discourse. I, myself, will do my very best to remain impartial and steer this discussion forward while remaining on task.

I do have my own working theory, based on the available evidence, of what happened to MH370, but as any good scientist I will continue to question my findings and critically revise my theory as new evidence becomes available.

As a note, I have removed my post linking to Mr. Gunson's photo album, as I am now aware that it is not a totally objective or impartial resource. Although, this does not mean that posting, sharing, or discussing any associated information is discouraged—I just don't feel that this source lives up to the standard of what I personally would like to post.

While I maintain this site, I fully intend it to be an open forum whose direction and progress are shaped by its membership. This is not a forum for expressing my personal views or advancing any specific agenda or theory. I hope we can all contribute to create a resource that we can be proud of!
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2015, 11:01:43 AM »
Welcome and thank you for taking the time to introduce yourselves. @Emma, I certainly do not condone any pilot bashing (don't assume that's not my background  ;)), but suggesting a very plausible pilot-murder suicide scenario is certainly not bashing and indeed warrants serious discussion. Unfortunately, as we have learned since the early 80's and quite recently, this is not something that can be so readily discounted.

I was made aware of the thread on Reddit, so I will answer a few of the questions posed:

By conspiracy theories (or theories defying reason, logic, or current understanding) I do mean UFO's, black holes, Diego Garcia, a connection to MAS17, or pretty much anything Don Lemon has said on air (kidding about the last one!). Again, the intent is to maintain a serious and professional discussion.

As to who I am, I can assure you of one thing, I am not Mr. Simon Gunson (in fact, I had never heard of him until I read the Reddit thread). I will tell you that I am not someone you know or have ever head of. I have no other web presence related to this event and I am merely a concerned and interested party that wants to open a forum where experts, professionals, and well-intentioned individuals from a range of disciplines can provide expertise, criticism, review, and discourse. I, myself, will do my very best to remain impartial and steer this discussion forward while remaining on task.

I do have my own working theory, based on the available evidence, of what happened to MH370, but as any good scientist I will continue to question my findings and critically revise my theory as new evidence becomes available.

As a note, I have removed my post linking to Mr. Gunson's photo album, as I am now aware that it is not a totally objective or impartial resource. Although, this does not mean that posting, sharing, or discussing any associated information is discouraged—I just don't feel that this source lives up to the standard of what I personally would like to post.

While I maintain this site, I fully intend it to be an open forum whose direction and progress are shaped by its membership. This is not a forum for expressing my personal views or advancing any specific agenda or theory. I hope we can all contribute to create a resource that we can be proud of!

Thank you for clarifying matters. I also would like to apologize for the Gunson suggestion. ;D

Lets hope this forum grows and becomes a platform where we all learn more. 

Good day.


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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2015, 08:43:42 PM »
Welcome and thank you for taking the time to introduce yourselves. @Emma, I certainly do not condone any pilot bashing (don't assume that's not my background  ;)), but suggesting a very plausible pilot-murder suicide scenario is certainly not bashing and indeed warrants serious discussion. Unfortunately, as we have learned since the early 80's and quite recently, this is not something that can be so readily discounted.

I agree that pilot murder-suicide by one of the MAS crew is a plausible theory (as is a hijacking by a rogue pilot) however in this incident there is absolutely zero factual evidence publically available to date that can be used to attribute that theory to either the PIC (Zaharie Ahmad Shah) or the FO (Fariq Abdul Hamid) and therefore such a discussion is purely speculative. Since you've stated that "the main objective of this discussion forum is to host an evidence-based scientific discussion of the disappearance and search for MH370" will you also be considering opening a topic or area of the board for opinion and speculation?

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2015, 03:52:25 AM »
Welcome and thank you for taking the time to introduce yourselves. @Emma, I certainly do not condone any pilot bashing (don't assume that's not my background  ;)), but suggesting a very plausible pilot-murder suicide scenario is certainly not bashing and indeed warrants serious discussion. Unfortunately, as we have learned since the early 80's and quite recently, this is not something that can be so readily discounted.

I agree that pilot murder-suicide by one of the MAS crew is a plausible theory (as is a hijacking by a rogue pilot) however in this incident there is absolutely zero factual evidence publically available to date that can be used to attribute that theory to either the PIC (Zaharie Ahmad Shah) or the FO (Fariq Abdul Hamid) and therefore such a discussion is purely speculative. Since you've stated that "the main objective of this discussion forum is to host an evidence-based scientific discussion of the disappearance and search for MH370" will you also be considering opening a topic or area of the board for opinion and speculation?
And same can be said about a electrical or mechanical failure.

Dont you think that all theories are speculative since we have no clue about MH370 ? I dnt think anyone has more info about the plane  apart from a single sattelite signal.

 

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2015, 09:40:16 PM »
Welcome and thank you for taking the time to introduce yourselves. @Emma, I certainly do not condone any pilot bashing (don't assume that's not my background  ;)), but suggesting a very plausible pilot-murder suicide scenario is certainly not bashing and indeed warrants serious discussion. Unfortunately, as we have learned since the early 80's and quite recently, this is not something that can be so readily discounted.

I agree that pilot murder-suicide by one of the MAS crew is a plausible theory (as is a hijacking by a rogue pilot) however in this incident there is absolutely zero factual evidence publically available to date that can be used to attribute that theory to either the PIC (Zaharie Ahmad Shah) or the FO (Fariq Abdul Hamid) and therefore such a discussion is purely speculative. Since you've stated that "the main objective of this discussion forum is to host an evidence-based scientific discussion of the disappearance and search for MH370" will you also be considering opening a topic or area of the board for opinion and speculation?
And same can be said about a electrical or mechanical failure.

Dont you think that all theories are speculative since we have no clue about MH370 ? I dnt think anyone has more info about the plane  apart from a single sattelite signal.

1.) Opinion

A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Example: "There exists no remotely plausible scenario outside of the primary (I have ruled out in flight accomplices as well) culpable party being Ahmad Zaharie Shah, other than the FO Fariq Hamid being the responsible actor."

2.) Speculation

The formation or expression of an opinion without sufficient evidence for proof.

Example: "And this scenario (Fariq Hamid being the criminal actor) is so unlikely for myriad reasons that it can all but be ruled out as well."

3.) Hypothesis

A proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena.

Example: Independent Group: Autopilot Flight Path BFO Error Analysis

4.) Theory

A proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation.

Example: Dr. Bobby Ulich: White Paper on the Location of MH370 with Addendums

5.) Fact

Something known to exist or to have happened; reality; truth.

Example: Independent Group: Factual Reference Document

6.) Evidence

That which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

Example: Malaysian Ministry of Transport Interim Report on MH370

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